Alcohol at christian concerts..a great answer by David Crowder
My friend Aisa sent this question that was answered by David Crowder.
I really thought he gave a great answer to the touchy question of alcohol
question 6: “i went to the show in cincinatti and there was alcohol being served. i was shocked that it was being served at a christian concert. can you tell me why it was being served?”
yes. i’m pretty sure that the bar was selling alcohol because it is a bar and that’s what bars sell. they typically like to make money and so they buy things, such as beers, from a distributor for a certain price and then mark it up to sell to people so that they will get a profit and get to pay their employees and get to stay open and such. alcohol is usually a pretty big seller for bars. i am sorry this was shocking.
i might add, both historically and currently, there are many people who love jesus, and follow him, that also enjoy alcohol regularly. if you have not encountered these people first hand, you should attempt to enlarge your peer circle and i think you’ll get a clearer picture of the diversity of the body of christ. there are denominations and traditions that denounce alcohol, and there are those that condone it. these beliefs are typically culturally specific and attached to a particular sect's interpretations of a few particular passages in scripture. i should state here that we, as a band and as individuals, do not, in any way, condone drunkenness, as it is stupid, nor under-aged drinking as it is also stupid and against the law, and trust that those in attendance at various dates on our club tour are intelligent enough to arrive at both of these conclusions as well. it is not very difficult to observe the damaging effects of abusing alcohol. it is simple that way; abuse it, it abuses you back, most of the time immediately.
(an aside: in my experience, most conversations about alcohol with those who adamantly reject it as a possible beverage choice, present that it could cause a brother to stumble. this is awful logic. apply this logic to various food items ordered at your next public meal. there will doubtlessly be present various numbers of people who struggle with obesity or high cholesterol or heart disease, who would really love one of your cheesesticks. there will also be those present who are vegetarian, myself included, who are attempting to not ingest meat. i’m sure you see the trouble with this line of thinking. this was the very argument that peter and paul were having regarding idol meat. i will not attempt further argument here since there is plenty to find out there, if one were truly curious, that would present things in a much more scholarly and organized manner than i could hope to present it. i will also state here that i shall not require you to cease your carnivorous ways while sharing a restaurant with me.)
and finally, i should state the reasons we went on a tour that had as its venues bars and clubs exclusively. we wished for the story of god to be experienced beyond the safety of our cloistered church environments. it was our deep hope that many who would not frequent a bar would come join us and experience the reality of the presence of god in an environment that they might not typically suspect to experience such a thing in. we believe, if we are reading scripture correctly, that once the veil was torn, that in an instant, suddenly, god was everywhere. the symbolism and consequences of this moment are epic! the way human beings access the maker of heaven and earth were forever changed. suddenly, once and for all, through the ultimate sacrificial offering, suddenly, he is everywhere. every second is lived in the very presence of god. there is no moment that is not holy. there is no space that is not sacred. it is the awareness of our reality that shifts, not this reality. therefore, all that is needed is for our awareness to change and we begin to view spaces and people and cultures and music and art and eating and drinking and sleeping and waking as moments and spaces and places where god is already active and present. our hope on this tour was to give people a physical, tangible experience of this reality.
I really thought he gave a great answer to the touchy question of alcohol
question 6: “i went to the show in cincinatti and there was alcohol being served. i was shocked that it was being served at a christian concert. can you tell me why it was being served?”
yes. i’m pretty sure that the bar was selling alcohol because it is a bar and that’s what bars sell. they typically like to make money and so they buy things, such as beers, from a distributor for a certain price and then mark it up to sell to people so that they will get a profit and get to pay their employees and get to stay open and such. alcohol is usually a pretty big seller for bars. i am sorry this was shocking.
i might add, both historically and currently, there are many people who love jesus, and follow him, that also enjoy alcohol regularly. if you have not encountered these people first hand, you should attempt to enlarge your peer circle and i think you’ll get a clearer picture of the diversity of the body of christ. there are denominations and traditions that denounce alcohol, and there are those that condone it. these beliefs are typically culturally specific and attached to a particular sect's interpretations of a few particular passages in scripture. i should state here that we, as a band and as individuals, do not, in any way, condone drunkenness, as it is stupid, nor under-aged drinking as it is also stupid and against the law, and trust that those in attendance at various dates on our club tour are intelligent enough to arrive at both of these conclusions as well. it is not very difficult to observe the damaging effects of abusing alcohol. it is simple that way; abuse it, it abuses you back, most of the time immediately.
(an aside: in my experience, most conversations about alcohol with those who adamantly reject it as a possible beverage choice, present that it could cause a brother to stumble. this is awful logic. apply this logic to various food items ordered at your next public meal. there will doubtlessly be present various numbers of people who struggle with obesity or high cholesterol or heart disease, who would really love one of your cheesesticks. there will also be those present who are vegetarian, myself included, who are attempting to not ingest meat. i’m sure you see the trouble with this line of thinking. this was the very argument that peter and paul were having regarding idol meat. i will not attempt further argument here since there is plenty to find out there, if one were truly curious, that would present things in a much more scholarly and organized manner than i could hope to present it. i will also state here that i shall not require you to cease your carnivorous ways while sharing a restaurant with me.)
and finally, i should state the reasons we went on a tour that had as its venues bars and clubs exclusively. we wished for the story of god to be experienced beyond the safety of our cloistered church environments. it was our deep hope that many who would not frequent a bar would come join us and experience the reality of the presence of god in an environment that they might not typically suspect to experience such a thing in. we believe, if we are reading scripture correctly, that once the veil was torn, that in an instant, suddenly, god was everywhere. the symbolism and consequences of this moment are epic! the way human beings access the maker of heaven and earth were forever changed. suddenly, once and for all, through the ultimate sacrificial offering, suddenly, he is everywhere. every second is lived in the very presence of god. there is no moment that is not holy. there is no space that is not sacred. it is the awareness of our reality that shifts, not this reality. therefore, all that is needed is for our awareness to change and we begin to view spaces and people and cultures and music and art and eating and drinking and sleeping and waking as moments and spaces and places where god is already active and present. our hope on this tour was to give people a physical, tangible experience of this reality.
17 Comments:
At 9:56 PM, Anonymous said…
The Bible does not condone alcohol so neither will I. Wine means "squeezings", juice, nothing more. Far too many "Christian" artist do not walk the walk.
At 7:46 PM, Anonymous said…
believe in God & Jesus,,don't get caught up in the minor issues..don't let what others eat or drink be a moral compass..its not...
At 2:29 PM, Anonymous said…
I recently attended your concert/Mercyme where alcohol was allowed to be sold. I was appalled!! Couldn't believe that I paid money to see Christian artists whom are models (whether they want to be or not) for our children and adolescents allow a venue to sell alcohol...in which I personally saw people getting drunk listening to your Christian songs!! I will NEVER pay a penny to attend another one of your supposedly "Christian" concerts again or purchase anything with your, Mercyme or Micha Tyler's name on it. Lord help us all!
At 9:42 PM, Unknown said…
Wow can’t even believe this comparing alcohol to a cheese stick.Was getting ready to go to a concert here in Cincinnati in November but when I realized that alcohol will be sold I will not be attending.If you care about those around who you are a witness to and a lot of them are alcoholics and yes alcohol will make an alcoholic stumble.I think it’s worth abstaining (choosing not to do) from alcohol to help those around us not to stumble as the Bible tells us to do.
At 8:34 PM, Unknown said…
I drink alcohol. I don't smoke.(pot or cigarettes) My wife smokes cigarettes and doesn't drink alcohol. We love both Jesus. (And each other) Think about that. No one is perfect. Except of course, God.
At 2:01 PM, Unknown said…
Truly dont belive those who drink are doomed to Hell!!! God is GREATER than Beer & Wine and understands those who do...+
At 12:03 PM, Anonymous said…
If you choose to drink alcohol it doesn't mean your not a Christian, but it also doesn't mean you should cast off all restraint. As a believer in the word of God you should practice "The Fruit of the Spirit", being self control. You can't blame the artist for the so-called Christians lack of ability to exercise self-control in these matters. Unless you expect them to become some sort of a communist leader. God the Father is not a communist. He gives the people Free will, with the ability to judge oneself. It is the responsibility of each member to do so, not anyone else, even these powerful role models.
At 12:06 PM, Anonymous said…
The Bible doesn't technically say you cannot drink, but you should not get drunk. The artist specifically stated they do not condone drunkenness because that would be stupid! You need to learn to judge yourselves and not others!
At 10:34 AM, Anonymous said…
Get over yourself
At 6:54 PM, Anonymous said…
Now I know these crazy reprobates are Hell bound. Stop calling yourselves christians... nothing but disgrace to heaven stop labeling your music as Christianity
At 1:17 AM, Anonymous said…
Amen we'll said
At 1:18 AM, Anonymous said…
Well said
At 1:19 AM, Anonymous said…
Well said
At 9:56 PM, Anonymous said…
Lukewarm..he will spit you out
At 6:45 PM, Anonymous said…
Nothing good comes from alcohol. It wrecks families and peoples lives. Every day, 37 people die from drunk driving. You do the math. God help us.
At 4:03 PM, Anonymous said…
That’s 100% not true. The Bible speaks of the “good wine “ which is 80 proof alcohol. Jesus first miracle is turning water into wine. The Bible literally says “drunks shall not inherit the kingdom of heaven.”
Nowhere in the Bible does it say “the guy who enjoys 2-3 beers , a glass of wine , or goes to bourbon tastings will suffer hell forever.”
I fully understand for some alcohol can be a stumbling block and in excess can contribute to breaking the wishes of god and even laws of man.
But if you really read the Bible , actually read it , at no point are you directed by god to abstain from alcohol use of any kind always . That’s not reality .
If you feel convicted though , that you shouldn’t , then I wouldn’t , and would expect people to respect that.
At 5:08 PM, Anonymous said…
Let God judge and change hearts .I attended a large Christian university in Greenville SC and I saw Alot of Christians who were Great at identifying others faults and problems and great at gossip requests but did nothing to help the person in need BREAKING NEWS Rehab was a harlot Saul was a murderer, Peter denied Jesus 3 times they were not perfect and neither am I but I know Jesus as my Savior and just like them I will be going to heaven when I die!!!
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